We are testing the radtree control and looking at possibly purchasing the software. The software definitely seems to be very powerful, but there is one thing that concerns me. the code bloat that I am seeing is rather significant.
We are looking to use the radtreecontrol whereby a user might be managing 5,000 or 10,000 or 20,000 or 30,000 items in the tree. As you can then imagine, we are probably testing the limits of the software.
When one looks at the nodes and tree, it looks very clean and simple. but when you right click to view the source code, it looks pretty ugly :) Here is a sample of the code that we are seeing. I am wondering how we can eliminate a majority of this code while still maintaining the functionality. Perhaps we have not optimized things.
I have just 66 items and 10 folders / nodes in the radtreecontrol, and it producing the following source code:
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(0)</span></div><div id="RadTree1_t5"><img src="javascript:false" alt="" style="display:none;" class="3" /><img src="javascript:false" id="RadTree1_t5i" alt="" style="display:none;" class="13" /><span class="TreeNode">Test4 (0)</span></div><div id="RadTree1_t6"><img src="javascript:false" alt="" style="display:none;" class="3" /><img src="javascript:false" id="RadTree1_t6i" alt="" style="display:none;" class="13" /><span class="TreeNode">Test5 (0)</span></div><div id="RadTree1_t7"><img src="javascript:false" alt="" style="display:none;" class="3" /><img src="javascript:false" id="RadTree1_t7i" alt="" style="display:none;" class="13" /><span class="TreeNode">Test7 (0)</span></div><div id="RadTree1_t8"><img src="javascript:false" alt="" style="display:none;" class="3" /><img src="javascript:false" id="RadTree1_t8i" alt="" style="display:none;" class="13" /><span class="TreeNode">Test8 (0)</span></div><div id="RadTree1_t9"><img src="javascript:false" alt="" style="display:none;" class="0" /><img src="javascript:false" id="RadTree1_t9i" alt="" style="display:none;" class="13" /><span class="TreeNode">Test9 (0)</span></div></div><script type="text/javascript">window["RadTree1"] = new RadTreeView('RadTree1');window["RadTree1"].ID = 'RadTree1';window["RadTree1"].ClientID = 'RadTree1';window["RadTree1"].UniqueID = 'RadTree1';window["RadTree1"].Container = 'RadTree1';window["RadTree1"].MultipleSelect = true;window["RadTree1"].DragAndDrop = true;window["RadTree1"].DragAndDropBetweenNodes = true;window["RadTree1"].NodeCss = 'TreeNode';window["RadTree1"].NodeCssOver = 'TreeNodeOver';window["RadTree1"].NodeCssSelect = 'TreeNodeSelect';window["RadTree1"].NodeCssDisable = 'TreeNodeDisabled';window["RadTree1"].NodeCssEdit = 'TreeNodeEdit';window["RadTree1"].BeforeClientDrop = 'DropTest';window["RadTree1"].BeforeClientContextClick = 'ContextMenuClick';window["RadTree1"].AfterClientCheck = 'CheckChildNodes';window["RadTree1"].AfterClientMove = 'ClientMove';window["RadTree1"].CausesValidation = false;window["RadTree1"].PostBackOptionsClientString = "__doPostBack(\'RadTree1\',\'@@arguments@@\')";window["RadTree1"].ExpandDelay = 2;window["RadTree1"].LoadingMessage = 'Loading..';window["RadTree1"].LoadingMessagePosition = 0;window["RadTree1"].LoadingMessageCssClass = 'LoadingMessage';window["RadTree1"].PostBackFunction = "__doPostBack('RadTree1','@@arguments@@');";window["RadTree1"].OnInit();</script><div id="rtvcmRadTree1FolderContextMenu" style="display:none;position:absolute;z-index:999;background-color:White;"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;border:1pt solid black;">
This is obviously waaaaaaay too much source code, IMO, to produce just 76 items in the control (66 items + 10 folders)... Is there any optimization techniques that can reduce this code amount by 75% to 90% ? If so, we would love to learn how to implement these techniques.
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Bradley
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Hello Bradley,
It seems you are evaluating the "Classic" version of the control (RadTreeView for ASP.NET). I would highly suggest you try the new RadTreeView for ASP.NET AJAX. RadTreeView for ASP.NET AJAX implements a highly efficient semantic rendering, which uses list items and CSS instead of tables. As a result the HTML output is significantly reduced, which dramatically improves performance.
In addition, please have in mind that a tree with more than 200 nodes should not be displayed at once without Load On Demand. You can test this with any other treeview products - you will have results similar to ours. For details on the matter, please refer to these online examples:
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Paul
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It seems you are evaluating the "Classic" version of the control (RadTreeView for ASP.NET). I would highly suggest you try the new RadTreeView for ASP.NET AJAX. RadTreeView for ASP.NET AJAX implements a highly efficient semantic rendering, which uses list items and CSS instead of tables. As a result the HTML output is significantly reduced, which dramatically improves performance.
In addition, please have in mind that a tree with more than 200 nodes should not be displayed at once without Load On Demand. You can test this with any other treeview products - you will have results similar to ours. For details on the matter, please refer to these online examples:
Regards,
Paul
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answered on 18 Jun 2008, 02:52 PM
Thanks for the quick reply....(that is comforting to see)..... The periodic message that we see in our evaluation is the following:
RadTreeView 6.3.1 trial version. Copyright Telerik © 2002-2007. To remove this message, please purchase a developer version.
I am not the programmer integrating the software package, so I don't know what version we are using - but does the message above indicate what program we are using?
I do hope your comments are correct, because I would like to speed up the page load. Thanks again for your quick reply.
So can you tell me how this program would handle, say, 30,000 items? If all items are displayed within one folder and I open up that folder, is there anything uniqe that radtree does to display the items? Do all 30,000 items get loaded, or can the program (somehow ) only load the items that are visible on the page?
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answered on 18 Jun 2008, 05:18 PM
I just spoke with our developer, and he is saying we are using the latest treecontrol version and we are using 3 different tree controls functionalities provided by radtree :
1. rightclick drop down functionality: http://www.telerik.com/DEMOS/ASPNET/Prometheus/Treeview/Examples/Functionality/ContextMenu/DefaultCS.aspx
2. drag and drop functionality: http://www.telerik.com/DEMOS/ASPNET/Prometheus/Treeview/Examples/Functionality/DragAndDropNodes/DefaultCS.aspx3. client side api calls: http://www.telerik.com/DEMOS/ASPNET/Prometheus/Treeview/Examples/Programming/ClientSideApi/DefaultCS.aspx
From a performance standpoint, when you have 5,000 items in a list, the performance on the server is slow. When I look at the source code, there is a ton of code. Are we doing something wrong? How can we solve this issue?
Regarding the right click functionality, when the user right clicks, they can choose from 8 options. The user can also add nodes/folders to their list of 5,000 items. The user can drag and drop items within the nodes as they so choose.
We ultimately need a product that can handle 100,000 items (and more). This might sound extreme and unrealistic, but this is an accurate statement. Thanks, I look forward to your reply on we solve this issue.
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Hi Bradley,
The output you have sent us initially and the trial message indicate that you are using RadTreeView Classic. Using RadTreeView for ASP.NET Ajax should result in less rendered output. You can check our load on demand example with 10000 nodes here. Keep in mind that having a few thousand nodes rendered all at once (without any load on demand) would always output lots of HTML. Even rendering a few thousand strings (the node's text) would lead to significant amount of HTML in terms of size. I suggest you try using onf of the supported load on demand scenarios:
- server-side callback
- web service
- server side (postbacks)
Regards,
Albert
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The output you have sent us initially and the trial message indicate that you are using RadTreeView Classic. Using RadTreeView for ASP.NET Ajax should result in less rendered output. You can check our load on demand example with 10000 nodes here. Keep in mind that having a few thousand nodes rendered all at once (without any load on demand) would always output lots of HTML. Even rendering a few thousand strings (the node's text) would lead to significant amount of HTML in terms of size. I suggest you try using onf of the supported load on demand scenarios:
- server-side callback
- web service
- server side (postbacks)
Regards,
Albert
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