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  1. Telerik Admin
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    Posted 19 Feb 2007 Link to this post

    Thank you for choosing telerik r.a.d.editor for SharePoint 2007 (MOSS).

    r.a.d.editor MOSS is intended to be a cross-browser alternative to the default rich-text editor in MOSS and WSS v3. The product is developed in an agreement between telerik and Microsoft and is provided free of charged to registered clients of SharePoint 2007.

    Important details:
    • r.a.d.editor for MOSS is provided as is and is not designed to be customizable. There are, however, certain possibilities for minor customization, which are discussed in the How-to section of the "Deployment and configuration manual".
    • r.a.d.editor for MOSS is a modified version of the telerik r.a.d.editor for ASP.NET. As a result, there are numerous functional differences, which are discussed in a separate document - Feature Comparison.
    • When r.a.d.editor for MOSS is used for as a rich-text field control in SharePoint forms, it will be displayed only on non-Internet Explorer browsers (see also "Browser support and limitations").  The default Microsoft rich-text editor will be displayed on Internet Explorer.
     
    Support resources:
    • r.a.d.editor for MOSS is supported through this public forum
    Sincerely yours,
    the telerik team
  2. Clifton Peterson
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    Posted 20 Feb 2007 Link to this post

    I am dissapointed that Telerik was apparently convinced to dumb-down the editor to reduce the capability to that in the default Microsoft MOSS HTML editor.  This makes it very hard for me to find any justification for adding complexity to the MOSS environment by adding a different editor.  Its main strong point is that it costs nothing.   You often get what you pay for.

    Does Telerik have plans to provide a full (full from Telerik's point of view) editor for the MOSS environment at some cost? 

    I've been very happy with the Premium Editor for MCMS 2002 and it is a shame that the current direction with MOSS is to eliminate a number of features.
  3. Thomas Hjorth Biilmann
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    Posted 21 Feb 2007 Link to this post

    Why that #3 restriction? ("When r.a.d.editor for MOSS is used for as a rich-text field control in SharePoint forms, it will be displayed only on non-Internet Explorer browsers (see also "Browser support and limitations").

    I was hoping to enrich the default "Add Picture" functionality for a rich text field in a list item with a better browse-for-pictures capability - more like the one available for Publishing Pages. However, I can only get that with non-IE browsers.

    I don't intend to complain about a free product ;o), but the key point of this product is to enable cross-browser editing, yet it introduces another browser-dependent feature set. Hope for a premium version or something like that!
  4. Jason Flowers
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    Posted 21 Feb 2007 Link to this post

    I have to agree with the other posts i've seen here in that the "dumbing down" of the editor is very disappointing. The main reason for it's use was to provide functionality above and beyond what Microsoft offered and would produce more accessible output.

    It is going to be hard to justify it's inlcusion within client solutions for this reason and the issue of supporting it now there seems to be less advantages.

    One thing that is stopping it's use on a project i am currently working on is that it seems that the insert image dialogue only allows the selection of an asset within the current SharePoint web. I have tried setting the default image and asset location properties, but it seems to have no effect.

    Is this a design fault or feature?

    Many Thanks for any Feedback.
    Jason Flowers
    Trinity Expert Sytems
  5. Ivo
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    Posted 22 Feb 2007 Link to this post

    Hi,

    Thank you for providing this initial feedback.

    Your questions and concerns clearly make sense so we will try to address them individually and throw a little light regarding our plans for MOSS product development:

    1. r.a.d.editor for MOSS on IE – our agreement with Microsoft is to develop a cross-browser alternative for the default editor. Apparently, SharePoint 2007 is cross-browser, except for the rich-text editor, so we are supposed to cover for the non-IE cases. We will discuss the option for making the r.a.d.editor override the default rich-text editor on IE as well. If we get their permission to do so it will be just a matter of removing one browser check.
    2. Restricted feature set – having in mind point 1 above, the intent behind r.a.d.editor for MOSS was to replicate the functionality of the default IE editor as closely as possible so that there is not much difference in the user experience on the different browsers.
      Our presumption is that the default editor in MOSS is quite good in this release, so we considered that most customers would be happy. Your feedback in this respect will be immensely valuable:
      - what specific functionality that is only available in the regular r.a.d.editor for ASP.NET do you need?
      - in which scenarios do you find further customization capabilities – WebPart or WCM scenario?
      At this moment we can't commit to a specific timeframe for providing full-blown editor for MOSS, since we need to determine the level of SharePoint-specific modifications we need to make vs. the level of customization that you would require.
      We have always aimed to address customer requests and this free MOSS editor is just the first step. In order to go further we will need some more specific feedback.
    3. Other components from the r.a.d.controls suite and MOSS – our plans with respect to other r.a.d.controls are to provide a whitepaper that describes how you can integrate other telerik controls in MOSS. Unlike the r.a.d.editor where code modifications are necessary, the integration of the regular ASP.NET versions of the r.a.d.controls and their customization with the SharePoint Designer is pretty trivial. Those guides are soon to be prepared and made available online.

    Once again, we will appreciate further feedback that can shape the best direction for further MOSS development.

    Greetings,

    Ivo
    the telerik team

  6. Thomas Hjorth Biilmann
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    Posted 22 Feb 2007 Link to this post

    Ok - I have the following situation:

    - The CMS (or "WCM") page editing in MOSS for Publishing Pages is no "silver bullet", in my opinion. Working with users on this, the most common reaction I get is: "it seems messy".

    So, I was looking for a simpler way to publish News items. I tried using an "Announcement" list, but the default rich text editor is limited, compared to the one used for Publishing Pages. E.g. there is no "browse-for-pictures" capability. The user has to know the URL to link to, to insert a picture (or a link). This alone is enough for me to NOT use an announcement list as a replacement for News pages. I was hoping that Telerik RADeditor for MOSS did what it used to do under SPS2003 - also replaced the default rich text editor for list items, but no - only for non-IE browsers.

    I also think editing tables in the built-in editor for publishing pages is akward.

    Finally, a better way to provide custom styles for formatting. Out-of-the-box, you have to edit a file directly on the web server(s), and this is generally not a best practise for other types of MOSS-files. It would be better if we could use CSS styles from a file in e.g. the Style Library or any other document library for that matter. And while we're at it - why not display the all styles as they will look, rather than simple titles. WYSIWYG is expected these days.

    These are my suggestions!
  7. Sami Poimala
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    Posted 23 Feb 2007 Link to this post

    The features we miss most are:
    • New paragraph
    • Horizontal rules
    • All paste features, especially from Word
    • Insert custom link
    • Find and replace
  8. cciotti
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    Posted 26 Feb 2007 Link to this post

    I must agree with the other posts on this thread - this free editor seems to hurt more than it helps.
  9. Joel Register
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    Posted 27 Feb 2007 Link to this post

    I would like to strongly encourage Telerik to continue working with Microsoft to get permissions to let us override the default editor with the Telerik Editor for SharePoint for all browsers. I very much prefer your editor to the default editor in SharePoint lists and do not in any way agree that it 'hurts more than helps.' The default editor is not acceptable, primarily because it does not let you select images and links that you've already added to the SharePoint site, and worst of all, it requires users to know html be be able to set the target for a link. (Setting links to open in a new window is one of the most frustrating omissions in SharePoint 2007.)

    Keep up the great work. The features provided by the Telerik Editor for SharePoint are so important that I would not have any problem whatsoever paying for them.

    Joel
  10. Thomas Hjorth Biilmann
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    Posted 01 Mar 2007 Link to this post

    I do not agree on the "hurts more than it helps" statemet either. Keep up the good work, we need a better editor!

    Another reason to be able to replace the built-in editor for list items is for Wiki Page Libraries. The default editor has poor link and picture dialogs, requiring users to remember and write URLs. For Wikis to be really usable as design documents, we need better support for adding pictures, figures etc. The RADeditor has just that, but again, not in IE.
  11. Ivo
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    Posted 01 Mar 2007 Link to this post

    Thank you all for the feedback. It is much appreciated.

    Let me shed some light on our latest discussions with Microsoft and our plans for the coming months.

    IE support
    In the next update of the free MOSS editor (next month) we will provide the option to edit SharePoint lists with r.a.d.editor in IE as well. Microsoft has agreed that we can provide a setting which enables r.a.d.editor on IE as long as the default behavior is kept as it is now (r.a.d.editor is enabled only on non-IE browsers and Microsoft editor is enabled in IE)

    Full featured editor
    We are planning for a release of a full featured r.a.d.editor for MOSS in about 4-6 weeks. The full featured editor for MOSS will allow for a broad feature-set and a flexible customization similar to our previous offerings: MCMS Premium Placeholder and SharePoint 2003 Editor. All customers willing to use the full featured MOSS editor will need a valid license for r.a.d.editor (http://www.telerik.com/purchase/purchase-online/b200S-dhe.aspx ). Comprehensive MOSS-specific documentation will be provided on how to use and customize all features. Public Beta version will be shipped to collect feedback before the official release.

    WSS v3
    The current version of r.a.d.editor for MOSS can safely be used in WSS v3 as well. Both Lists and Web Parts scenarios are supported.

    Please, let us know of your comments and suggestions -- they will be very welcome.

    Ivo
    the telerik team

  12. dan mat
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    Posted 01 Mar 2007 Link to this post

    Will the "full featured r.a.d.editor for MOSS" include the Flash Manager like in the CMS 2002 r.a.d. placeholder?
  13. Ivo
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    Posted 02 Mar 2007 Link to this post

    Hello Thomas,

    Yes, it will.

    It will be a full featured editor and all relevant tools will be activated by an XML configuration file. Very much similar to our online Demos: http://www.telerik.com/demos/aspnet/Editor/Examples/Default/DefaultCS.aspx

    Greetings,
    Ivo
    the telerik team
  14. Mark Johnston
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    Posted 11 Mar 2007 Link to this post

    I find this extremely dissapointing. We are currently doing a proof of concept for MOSS and one of the things I was hoping to rely on was your Editor control. Your previous versions created XHTML /WCAG compliant code and allowed for a customised interface for the users. I was hoping that moving forward our company would be able to implement better crafted HTML to the users browser. I was hoping for something 100% feature for feature with your other shipping editors.

    Please look at creating a full blown editor for MOSS 2007. This really feels like a step backwards. I also hope that Micrososft have not bought you off from creating this better component through the agreement.

    [edit]
    Oops disregard all above, I should have read the entire thread before venting...

    This is good news that you are also going to release a full blown editor.
  15. delusion
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    Posted 22 Mar 2007 Link to this post

    Hi Telerik Team,

    Can you give us a possible release date for the new editor for moss?
    Would be nice for us and the community as there are probably quite a few moss projects running and the interest in a new editor is HIGH.

    Thanks for status update

    Michael
  16. Mark Johnston
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    Posted 27 Mar 2007 Link to this post

    I would also like to know when this control can be expected. It is far superior to the built-in  MOSS one as well as the one that you are giving away. I tenative release day would be great for our content  editors to look forward to.
  17. Ivo
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    Posted 03 Apr 2007 Link to this post

    Hello,

    The premium version of the editor for MOSS will be available next week. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

    All the best,
    Ivo
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  18. Andrew Ang
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    Posted 16 Apr 2007 Link to this post

    Hi telerik team,

    Is the premium editor available for testing?

    Rgds,
    Andrew Ang

  19. Georgi Tunev
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    Posted 17 Apr 2007 Link to this post

    Hi Andrew,

    We've decided to postpone the release with several days and the RadEditor for MOSS will appear next week, right after the release of RadControls Q1 2007.

    Please excuse us for any inconvenience we might have caused with this delay.



    Regards,
    Georgi Tunev
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  20. IT Department
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    Posted 27 Apr 2007 Link to this post

    Hi.

    When are you scheduled to release the full version of r.a.d. editor for MOSS? We are already running r.a.d. editor on SharePoint 2003. Will it be possible to buy an upgrade?

    Thanks,
    Frank
  21. simonf
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    Posted 02 May 2007 Link to this post

    Hello,

    Do you have a release date for the IE enabled version? Having used the DNN editor version, we're looking forward to adding this to our Sharepoint system at the earliest possible date. Regards Simon
  22. lionelba
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    Posted 09 May 2007 Link to this post

    I am looking for the full featured RadEditor integarted to MOSS fo a client. Do you have any pre-Release material that could be tested?

    O any final release date?

    Regards,

    Lionel
  23. cciotti
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    Posted 09 May 2007 Link to this post

    What happened to releasing the control right after the Q1 release of the product?
  24. Simon Hemington
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    Posted 15 May 2007 Link to this post

    Any chance of an update.  We are all holding our breath waiting for an announcement.
  25. Andrew Ang
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    Posted 22 May 2007 Link to this post

    Hi Telerik Team,

    It will be great if you can update us on the release status. Our clients are looking forward to this release.

    Thanks.

    Rgds,
    Andrew Ang
  26. Tom.S
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    Posted 29 May 2007 Link to this post

    Hi,
     We are also waiting on the next release, could I please get an update on the release date.

    Tom.
  27. delusion
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    Posted 30 May 2007 Link to this post

    now it's end of may and you didn't give us any update feedback yet. a small status-msg would do it.

    thanks

    michael
  28. bspolarich
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    Posted 30 May 2007 Link to this post

    We are all breathless with anticipation.

    I'll add my vote for an update -- I would like to deploy our corporate Intranet, but want to have an easy set of procedures.  The problem is that some stuff only works in IE (e.g. Explorer View in Document Libraries), and some stuff only works in Firefox (e.g. RadEditor w/ Image Manager, etc.).  That's too much to deal with, so I've been waiting for a RadEditor that works in IE so I can say "your best experience with SharePoint will be with Internet Explorer" and be done with it.
  29. cciotti
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    Posted 30 May 2007 Link to this post

    We are also holding a roll-out for this control.  I've bee telling people 'any day now' for too long. 

  30. Georgi Tunev
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    Posted 01 Jun 2007 Link to this post

    Hi guys,

    First of all, on the behalf of the Telerik team, I would like to apologize for the long delay. Due to some last-minute changes, we've had to postpone the release and to ensure that everything will work as expected with the final version. We hope that you will like what the Premium version has to offer and that the wait was worth it.

    The Premium version of RadEditor MOSS Edition is available for download in your Client.net account. For convenience I have attached a screenshot of the download location to this thread.


    Best wishes,
    Georgi Tunev
    the Telerik team

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