I am an oncologist who is now using electronic medical records for patient care. About 5 weeks ago our practice purchased software from Altos Solutions for EMR. We use their product OncEMR. It is a web based program and they use RadEditor as their text editor.
When creating a web-based visit note on a patient, there are several sections where one can enter information. "Past medical history", "Physical Exam" etc. The one section that I am interested in keeping up-to-date is an ongoing treatment history.
In the "treatment history" I'd like to keep track of certain results. In doing so, I would like to make simple charts (without lines) that demonstrate certain key elements in the progress of the patient.
OncoEMR uses RadEditor (not that they tell me that, but when I click on the "?" button on the editor, to tells me that it is "RadEditor." Now, this may be a toned down, free version of the editor.... I suspect it is. But it is amazing to me what it cannot seem to do. And if you say that RadEditor is WYSIWYG, this most certainly isn't. But perhaps I am criticizing a fine product for what it's junior free version cannot do..... or perhaps there is a way to accomplish what I want that I can't figure out. (Nevermind that the Altos Solutions has no clue how to fully use the web editor that they provide with their EMR... so far they have not been able to help and seem very puzzled.)
I'd like to make a simple chart, something like this.
date: Hemoglobin:
02/14/11 13.3
06/10/11 12.5
11/14//11 10.9
03/22/12 9.6
Someone in business might do something similar:
name: contract dollars: Costs:
Randy $12,500 $600
Karl $11,100 $700
Frank $9,000 $360
Now, I don't know if the above columns will line up until I post. They would not line up in most internet forums. They would like up if I prepared this post on Hotmail. In word perfect and in word for window they line up without a problem, whether I use the tab button or not. In OncoEMR they line up some of the time and most times do not, but can be made to line up with mulitple edits. Even then, they may lose their positions. I find it very difficult to line up date like this into column no matter which formating I use, align left, or any of the other posibilities.
My sense is that there is not a function for the tab key in any internet program (I don't know why) and that RadEditor, like any email program does not recognize the tab function (too bad!) but the fact that RadEditor assigns more space to a "space" than to a "letter" also makes this lining up task more difficult. (I can do a half-decent job by makeing the $9,000 above a $09,000 which looks clumsy but works.
So, is the difficulty in lining up columns in RadEditor just a missing function that no one ever considered important? Or do I need to get Altos Solutions to pony up for a better version of RadEditor? Or is there a way to do this with the free, or junior version that I can't figure out (and Altos has no clue either)?
By the way, I do notice the table function in the editor and suppose that this could be a resource... but I can't figure it out and like I said, Altos Solutions, who incorporates this version of RadEditor into their software doesn't know how to use it either.
Thanks for your help!
David
ps: yep, they line up quite well on this forum post..... something that I can't do within RadEditor
When creating a web-based visit note on a patient, there are several sections where one can enter information. "Past medical history", "Physical Exam" etc. The one section that I am interested in keeping up-to-date is an ongoing treatment history.
In the "treatment history" I'd like to keep track of certain results. In doing so, I would like to make simple charts (without lines) that demonstrate certain key elements in the progress of the patient.
OncoEMR uses RadEditor (not that they tell me that, but when I click on the "?" button on the editor, to tells me that it is "RadEditor." Now, this may be a toned down, free version of the editor.... I suspect it is. But it is amazing to me what it cannot seem to do. And if you say that RadEditor is WYSIWYG, this most certainly isn't. But perhaps I am criticizing a fine product for what it's junior free version cannot do..... or perhaps there is a way to accomplish what I want that I can't figure out. (Nevermind that the Altos Solutions has no clue how to fully use the web editor that they provide with their EMR... so far they have not been able to help and seem very puzzled.)
I'd like to make a simple chart, something like this.
date: Hemoglobin:
02/14/11 13.3
06/10/11 12.5
11/14//11 10.9
03/22/12 9.6
Someone in business might do something similar:
name: contract dollars: Costs:
Randy $12,500 $600
Karl $11,100 $700
Frank $9,000 $360
Now, I don't know if the above columns will line up until I post. They would not line up in most internet forums. They would like up if I prepared this post on Hotmail. In word perfect and in word for window they line up without a problem, whether I use the tab button or not. In OncoEMR they line up some of the time and most times do not, but can be made to line up with mulitple edits. Even then, they may lose their positions. I find it very difficult to line up date like this into column no matter which formating I use, align left, or any of the other posibilities.
My sense is that there is not a function for the tab key in any internet program (I don't know why) and that RadEditor, like any email program does not recognize the tab function (too bad!) but the fact that RadEditor assigns more space to a "space" than to a "letter" also makes this lining up task more difficult. (I can do a half-decent job by makeing the $9,000 above a $09,000 which looks clumsy but works.
So, is the difficulty in lining up columns in RadEditor just a missing function that no one ever considered important? Or do I need to get Altos Solutions to pony up for a better version of RadEditor? Or is there a way to do this with the free, or junior version that I can't figure out (and Altos has no clue either)?
By the way, I do notice the table function in the editor and suppose that this could be a resource... but I can't figure it out and like I said, Altos Solutions, who incorporates this version of RadEditor into their software doesn't know how to use it either.
Thanks for your help!
David
ps: yep, they line up quite well on this forum post..... something that I can't do within RadEditor
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answered on 24 Apr 2012, 07:09 AM
RadEditor can be locked down to provide only those features a developer decides are necessary. Within a RadGrid (table), the use of a HTML Editor column type provides only a minimum of functionality.
Frustrating, I know but I think you are limited only to that functionality the developer has exposed to you.
That's not casting any bad light on RadGrid per se, rather the developer perhaps had different ideas on what that particular field should be used for.
I'm not familiar with the product in question so unable to offer many clues (I think lots of our regulars will be in the same boat).
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Frustrating, I know but I think you are limited only to that functionality the developer has exposed to you.
That's not casting any bad light on RadGrid per se, rather the developer perhaps had different ideas on what that particular field should be used for.
I'm not familiar with the product in question so unable to offer many clues (I think lots of our regulars will be in the same boat).
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answered on 24 Apr 2012, 08:06 PM
Richard, thanks for your response.
Can I clarify this a little better?
You mention that the developer allows only so much functionality with the RadEditor in their product. So, that is to say, Altos Solutions, the developer of OncoEMR, has decided to allow only so many functions. I can underline, bold, italizic text. I can change the point size of the text (within a small number of different sizes.) I can change the font (within a few font sizes.) I can draw a line. I can make superscript and subscript. These are allowed.
But I ask you..... is there the capacity within RadEditor to make columns of text easily and with fidelity? Can I go to Altos Solutions and say, "can you add this functionality to RadEditor within OncoEMR?" Is it that they simply need to go back and make a change to the software settings?
Or, does this function not exist in any RadEditor product, no matter how extensive the product that you use?
As I mention.... I get more reliable and true function on this forum than I do on OncoEMR. Can't they provide that for me if I ask?
Thanks,
David
Can I clarify this a little better?
You mention that the developer allows only so much functionality with the RadEditor in their product. So, that is to say, Altos Solutions, the developer of OncoEMR, has decided to allow only so many functions. I can underline, bold, italizic text. I can change the point size of the text (within a small number of different sizes.) I can change the font (within a few font sizes.) I can draw a line. I can make superscript and subscript. These are allowed.
But I ask you..... is there the capacity within RadEditor to make columns of text easily and with fidelity? Can I go to Altos Solutions and say, "can you add this functionality to RadEditor within OncoEMR?" Is it that they simply need to go back and make a change to the software settings?
Or, does this function not exist in any RadEditor product, no matter how extensive the product that you use?
As I mention.... I get more reliable and true function on this forum than I do on OncoEMR. Can't they provide that for me if I ask?
Thanks,
David
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Hi guys,
The default behavior of the browser is to navigate through the table cells when the Tab key is pressed.
The requested tabbing functionality in table elements is not offered out-of-the box by RadEditor, but it could be implemented with JavaScript code. The JavaScript language offers key events and it is possible to check whether the pressed key is Tab and to change its default behavior by for example to insert non breaking characters ( ) in the selected cell.
That is why my recommendation is to contact the support of Altos Solution and request this feature for implementation.
You can also review the RadEditor's End User Manual, which could be helpful to see how the controls and its different features work and can be used.
All the best,
Rumen
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The default behavior of the browser is to navigate through the table cells when the Tab key is pressed.
The requested tabbing functionality in table elements is not offered out-of-the box by RadEditor, but it could be implemented with JavaScript code. The JavaScript language offers key events and it is possible to check whether the pressed key is Tab and to change its default behavior by for example to insert non breaking characters ( ) in the selected cell.
That is why my recommendation is to contact the support of Altos Solution and request this feature for implementation.
You can also review the RadEditor's End User Manual, which could be helpful to see how the controls and its different features work and can be used.
All the best,
Rumen
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answered on 25 Apr 2012, 05:51 PM
Rumen, thanks for your comments. And thanks a million for the link to the end user manual.... I'm looking forwards to reading it.
So, is there any way to Javascript create a tab code for RadEditor. In Word Perfect or Word for Windows one can use a tab to line up figures, or words into a column (as I have been saying)?
Is there any way of lining of words into a column.
Like:
date: beta hCG AFP
03/12/09 3,000 219
04/02/09 312 54
04/25/09 45 9
05/13/09 <2 3
(Not knowing as I type this whether the above will be aligned on the forum page after I line them up on this text editor)
Yes, as I edit this post, I can see that the text lines up fairly well, and this is taking into consideration that in each column I am asking to have the values right aligned, which they do not do perfectly. If I were to try to do this in OncoEMR, the figures would not line up at all. I mean, they would line up fine when I enter them in the RadEditor, but when they are posted onto the note, they are all scattered. So I have to adjust, adjust, adjust over 3 or 4 minutes to get it just right.
Thanks!
David
So, is there any way to Javascript create a tab code for RadEditor. In Word Perfect or Word for Windows one can use a tab to line up figures, or words into a column (as I have been saying)?
Is there any way of lining of words into a column.
Like:
date: beta hCG AFP
03/12/09 3,000 219
04/02/09 312 54
04/25/09 45 9
05/13/09 <2 3
(Not knowing as I type this whether the above will be aligned on the forum page after I line them up on this text editor)
Yes, as I edit this post, I can see that the text lines up fairly well, and this is taking into consideration that in each column I am asking to have the values right aligned, which they do not do perfectly. If I were to try to do this in OncoEMR, the figures would not line up at all. I mean, they would line up fine when I enter them in the RadEditor, but when they are posted onto the note, they are all scattered. So I have to adjust, adjust, adjust over 3 or 4 minutes to get it just right.
Thanks!
David
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answered on 25 Apr 2012, 06:43 PM
Just be sure that no one misunderstands me, let me make myself absolutely clear.
I can make a beatiful chart within the RadEditor window. I just uses the spacebar to move the numbers into columns. The chart looks just the way I want it in the RadEditor window.
But when I click on "update" to enter my text note into the medical record, the chart does not come out right.
It is definitely not WYSIWYG
For example, I can make the following in RadEditor:
date: Hgb: Mcv:
01/26/11 10.7 97
04/14/11 10.2 95
12/01/11 10.9 99
02/16/12 11.3 97
And when I update to put it the text into the online medical records, I get:
date: Hgb: Mcv:
01/26/11 10.7 97
04/14/11 10.2 95
12/01/11 10.9 99
02/16/12 11.3 97
Is it because Altos Solutions has incorporated a limited version of RadEditor for their software? Or is it that even the best versions of RadEditor cannot line up text?
And... editiing this post after I posted it I can see that I have beautiful control of where the text elements are in this post... .something that I can do on this internet forum but I cannot do on my electronic medical records. Please tell me that RadEditor can make columns and what to I have to tell Altos Solutions to do to enable it?
I can make a beatiful chart within the RadEditor window. I just uses the spacebar to move the numbers into columns. The chart looks just the way I want it in the RadEditor window.
But when I click on "update" to enter my text note into the medical record, the chart does not come out right.
It is definitely not WYSIWYG
For example, I can make the following in RadEditor:
date: Hgb: Mcv:
01/26/11 10.7 97
04/14/11 10.2 95
12/01/11 10.9 99
02/16/12 11.3 97
And when I update to put it the text into the online medical records, I get:
date: Hgb: Mcv:
01/26/11 10.7 97
04/14/11 10.2 95
12/01/11 10.9 99
02/16/12 11.3 97
Is it because Altos Solutions has incorporated a limited version of RadEditor for their software? Or is it that even the best versions of RadEditor cannot line up text?
And... editiing this post after I posted it I can see that I have beautiful control of where the text elements are in this post... .something that I can do on this internet forum but I cannot do on my electronic medical records. Please tell me that RadEditor can make columns and what to I have to tell Altos Solutions to do to enable it?
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I am not sure which version of RadEditor you are using, but neighter one of RadEditor builds does not expose any limitations for rendering the content inside it and outside it. The content area of RadEditor is a standard editable iframe or div, which is a browser's HTML element and the content rendered in the editor should be rendered in the same way when it is rendered outside of the control. The problem is most likely related to some global CSS styles for TABLE or TD elements, which resides on the page and breaks the content appearance of the tables.
This is a developers task, but if you would like you can examine with IE developer toolbar or Firebug, how the content is rendered in RadEditor and after that in the page and compare them. Check for global CSS styles and see whether they are not causing the problem.
If you can, provide a live url to the problematic page so that I can examine it on my end. I will be also able to see which version of RadEditor you are using.
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Rumen
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I am not sure which version of RadEditor you are using, but neighter one of RadEditor builds does not expose any limitations for rendering the content inside it and outside it. The content area of RadEditor is a standard editable iframe or div, which is a browser's HTML element and the content rendered in the editor should be rendered in the same way when it is rendered outside of the control. The problem is most likely related to some global CSS styles for TABLE or TD elements, which resides on the page and breaks the content appearance of the tables.
This is a developers task, but if you would like you can examine with IE developer toolbar or Firebug, how the content is rendered in RadEditor and after that in the page and compare them. Check for global CSS styles and see whether they are not causing the problem.
If you can, provide a live url to the problematic page so that I can examine it on my end. I will be also able to see which version of RadEditor you are using.
Best regards,
Rumen
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answered on 26 Apr 2012, 05:00 PM
Rumen,
Thanks again for your prompt reply.
At this moment, I am not using any Table tool to make these charts. I am simply using the spacebar and entering 5 spaces between text in the table that I am making. It seems that the software program does not uniformly remember how many spaces I enter. But even so, I wonder if the edit frame can be made more useable.
I am not the developer, of course. Altos Solutions is the developer of the EMR software. It is web based.
Due to privacy laws, I cannot give you access to the website.
However, when I get time, I can take some screen shots to show you examples of what happens...and I can also use screen shots so that you can see what version of RadEditor is being used.
But it sounds like I can get back to Altos and request (demand?,,... maybe request at first) that the developer add more features to their version of RadEditor or make it more robust with greater Fidelity.
David
Thanks again for your prompt reply.
At this moment, I am not using any Table tool to make these charts. I am simply using the spacebar and entering 5 spaces between text in the table that I am making. It seems that the software program does not uniformly remember how many spaces I enter. But even so, I wonder if the edit frame can be made more useable.
I am not the developer, of course. Altos Solutions is the developer of the EMR software. It is web based.
Due to privacy laws, I cannot give you access to the website.
However, when I get time, I can take some screen shots to show you examples of what happens...and I can also use screen shots so that you can see what version of RadEditor is being used.
But it sounds like I can get back to Altos and request (demand?,,... maybe request at first) that the developer add more features to their version of RadEditor or make it more robust with greater Fidelity.
David
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answered on 26 Apr 2012, 07:51 PM
Here are snips of what I am speaking about.
The first shows how the table or chart looks like as I enter it into the RadEditor frame
The second shows how it looks after I enter the frame text into the file. You can see how the items no longer line up.
Now, about half the time (and I am trying to figure out the pattern here) the information further collapses if I close the file and re-open it
The first shows how the table or chart looks like as I enter it into the RadEditor frame
The second shows how it looks after I enter the frame text into the file. You can see how the items no longer line up.
Now, about half the time (and I am trying to figure out the pattern here) the information further collapses if I close the file and re-open it
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Hello,
I noticed that the editor in the screenshot is RadEditor Classic, which is not supported since 2009. The tab key of this editor inserts four entities in Internet Explorer, which is a standard HTML. I am not sure in which file format and how these entities are converted when saved in the problematic file.
It' is also really odd, because the most of the words are properly aligned and only these ones on the fourth and seventh lines are not properly rendered. It also seems that the program that you use to open the file sometimes corrects the non properly formatted words.
My suggestion is to directly write to the support of Altos Solutions, and ask them to investigate the problem.
Another suggestion is to try to reproduce the problem in the following live demo: Save in External File.
Best regards,
Rumen
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I noticed that the editor in the screenshot is RadEditor Classic, which is not supported since 2009. The tab key of this editor inserts four entities in Internet Explorer, which is a standard HTML. I am not sure in which file format and how these entities are converted when saved in the problematic file.
It' is also really odd, because the most of the words are properly aligned and only these ones on the fourth and seventh lines are not properly rendered. It also seems that the program that you use to open the file sometimes corrects the non properly formatted words.
My suggestion is to directly write to the support of Altos Solutions, and ask them to investigate the problem.
Another suggestion is to try to reproduce the problem in the following live demo: Save in External File.
Best regards,
Rumen
the Telerik team
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answered on 27 Apr 2012, 06:26 PM
Rumen,
Thanks for your replies. I will go ahead and contact Altos and have them look into this. I will also suggest that they upgrade their version of RadEditor for the OncoEMR software.
The reason that most of the words in my example were aligned is because I edited the table several times to get it right. The last line is offset because that was a line of information that I had just added for that recent date.
For about have of my notes, I can make the table look okay if I just spend an extra minute or two on it. The other half "collapse" to where there is just one space between word (or number) entries no matter now many spaces one inserts.
Thanks again...
My next step is to contact Altos.
David
Thanks for your replies. I will go ahead and contact Altos and have them look into this. I will also suggest that they upgrade their version of RadEditor for the OncoEMR software.
The reason that most of the words in my example were aligned is because I edited the table several times to get it right. The last line is offset because that was a line of information that I had just added for that recent date.
For about have of my notes, I can make the table look okay if I just spend an extra minute or two on it. The other half "collapse" to where there is just one space between word (or number) entries no matter now many spaces one inserts.
Thanks again...
My next step is to contact Altos.
David