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Hello,
I would like to get some clarity around licensing and what we can do, both now and deep into the future, with NativeScript.
I see NativeScript as the game changer I have been waiting for.
For the last 7 years I have developed my own platform using a set of UI controls called Visual Web GUI from Gizmox. Visual Web GUI basically allows you to build WinForms applications in C# and run them through your browser. In late April 2014 I had a 1 hour conference call with both the CTO and the Sales Manager of Gizmox. During this call I demonstrated how my platform would make their Professional edition redundant for many use cases as I had built a form designer, code editor and much other tooling around their controls using only their free Express edition.
My platform was initially targeted at a particular niche in big construction projects (multiple subcontractors etc). The goal of the platform was not to simply provide a form designer and code editor to work around needing the Professional edition of their product. It was simply a by-product of the design of the platform.
My platform was also building on top of Xamarin Studio for the native side of things so as to have something very close to "enables you to write once in C# and have it run via a browser as well as a natively on iOS and Android". Indeed I had sent a screenshot of the web based form designer/code editor to Xamarin and was subsequently invited onto their Xamarin Forms beta program.
On 3 July 2014 Gizmox ceased to supply upgrades to the Express edition of Visual Web GUI and the user community was both surprised and somewhat aghast. There was very little communication from management except to say an announcement was coming.
In the last few hours the CTO of the newly formed Reddo Mobile, who was previously CTO of Gizmox, has declared that their UI control offering is now completely free to use on the following proviso:
"it cannot be used to develop and / or distribute a software which provides abilities to create new applications or re-purpose existing applications. That said, as long as you are developing line of business applications which are not designers or application UI editing etc. you are safe."
In short, the people working there have now formed a new company, Reddo Mobile, to try and provide the kinds of things that I was providing in my platform as well as become an IT services company. They have effectively stifled innovation and left me dead in the water.
My own personal hope is that NativeScript is provided without the limitations that Gizmox/Reddo has now pivoted to. Such limitations inhibit my ability to bring about change at the business level for my clients and greater industry.
So I am wondering if Telerik is going to take a similar stance and prevent unfettered innovation around the NativeScript controls via legal means? I otherwise see much greater involvement with Telerik at various levels going forward.
Regards
Andrew
I would like to get some clarity around licensing and what we can do, both now and deep into the future, with NativeScript.
I see NativeScript as the game changer I have been waiting for.
For the last 7 years I have developed my own platform using a set of UI controls called Visual Web GUI from Gizmox. Visual Web GUI basically allows you to build WinForms applications in C# and run them through your browser. In late April 2014 I had a 1 hour conference call with both the CTO and the Sales Manager of Gizmox. During this call I demonstrated how my platform would make their Professional edition redundant for many use cases as I had built a form designer, code editor and much other tooling around their controls using only their free Express edition.
My platform was initially targeted at a particular niche in big construction projects (multiple subcontractors etc). The goal of the platform was not to simply provide a form designer and code editor to work around needing the Professional edition of their product. It was simply a by-product of the design of the platform.
My platform was also building on top of Xamarin Studio for the native side of things so as to have something very close to "enables you to write once in C# and have it run via a browser as well as a natively on iOS and Android". Indeed I had sent a screenshot of the web based form designer/code editor to Xamarin and was subsequently invited onto their Xamarin Forms beta program.
On 3 July 2014 Gizmox ceased to supply upgrades to the Express edition of Visual Web GUI and the user community was both surprised and somewhat aghast. There was very little communication from management except to say an announcement was coming.
In the last few hours the CTO of the newly formed Reddo Mobile, who was previously CTO of Gizmox, has declared that their UI control offering is now completely free to use on the following proviso:
"it cannot be used to develop and / or distribute a software which provides abilities to create new applications or re-purpose existing applications. That said, as long as you are developing line of business applications which are not designers or application UI editing etc. you are safe."
In short, the people working there have now formed a new company, Reddo Mobile, to try and provide the kinds of things that I was providing in my platform as well as become an IT services company. They have effectively stifled innovation and left me dead in the water.
My own personal hope is that NativeScript is provided without the limitations that Gizmox/Reddo has now pivoted to. Such limitations inhibit my ability to bring about change at the business level for my clients and greater industry.
So I am wondering if Telerik is going to take a similar stance and prevent unfettered innovation around the NativeScript controls via legal means? I otherwise see much greater involvement with Telerik at various levels going forward.
Regards
Andrew
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answered on 15 Sep 2014, 10:46 AM
Hello Andrew,
my answer will be short - NativeScript will be open sourced under the Apache License, Version 2.0. There are no other limitations!
There will be paid tools and integration with other tools and platforms coming from Telerik (and other companies), but the framework itself can be used and extended in a way you want, complying with the Apache License, Version 2.0.
Please drop me a line on valentin.stoychev@telerik.com and we can talk about possible integration/partnership.
Best,
Valio
my answer will be short - NativeScript will be open sourced under the Apache License, Version 2.0. There are no other limitations!
There will be paid tools and integration with other tools and platforms coming from Telerik (and other companies), but the framework itself can be used and extended in a way you want, complying with the Apache License, Version 2.0.
Please drop me a line on valentin.stoychev@telerik.com and we can talk about possible integration/partnership.
Best,
Valio
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answered on 15 Sep 2014, 01:02 PM
Hi Valio
That's awesome.
Will be in contact once I get my head around it all and the translating of the platform from C# to JS is well underway - probably some months yet before I am ready for that.
Lots of exploration in the JS world to determine the best path forward.
Cheers
Andrew
That's awesome.
Will be in contact once I get my head around it all and the translating of the platform from C# to JS is well underway - probably some months yet before I am ready for that.
Lots of exploration in the JS world to determine the best path forward.
Cheers
Andrew
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answered on 15 Sep 2014, 01:04 PM
Sounds good! Please don't hesitate to keep in touch if you need *any* help, including engineering consultation.
Cheers!
Cheers!
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answered on 03 Dec 2014, 12:44 AM
Very nice Andrew. You're in good hands with Telerik and particularly Valio.
Hope to see your product(s) for NS!
Hope to see your product(s) for NS!