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Helen
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Helen asked on 30 Jan 2010, 05:37 PM
Hi guys,

As I browse the forums I find tons of really useful code examples provided by Telerik folks (and others). However I can only find them by searching or browsing the forums.

How about having a list of available code examples, (organized by product), so we can quickly find code examples that would be useful to us?

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Helen

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Nikolay
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answered on 01 Feb 2010, 11:03 AM
Hello Helen,

Thanks for your suggestion.

We actually have a Code Library section, where we upload examples. You can check it at:

http://www.telerik.com/community/code-library.aspx

We are continuously extending it by adding new examples, either provided by our community members or created on our own.

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answered on 01 Feb 2010, 02:36 PM
I am familiar with the code library section. However, there are lots of samples that you have posted to the forum that aren't there. The only way to find these samples is to browse detailed forum posts.

Wouldn't it be nice if all these samples were available in the code library?

Cheers,

Helen
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Ben Hayat
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answered on 01 Feb 2010, 03:53 PM
Hi Nick;

What Helen is saying, is true. In the past I had made this recommendation and never got any response to it. Some of these samples are very valuable and save lots of time for both sides. But as new posts come in, the old ones get buried and people don't get a chance to see them. For example, there are practically hundreds of samples written for Gridview in forum and Blog that would be great if they were store someplace under SL/Gridview with a simple description. I could then look at these list and download and learn from them. It would even be better if  the sample could be linked to the original post. You guys really need to organize these, otherwise they are lost assets.

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Valentin.Stoychev
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answered on 01 Feb 2010, 03:59 PM
Hello Ben and Helen,

I hear you. I know this is a problem and we are trying to found out what is the best way of implementing this. We decided that such controls' examples will be part from the Telerik RadControls SDK. We are working on this new project and its first version will be available very short - probably within a month.

It will be more or less similar to our online demo examples, but will contain more technical info, rather than visualy appealing examples.

What do you think about that? Is this sound like a good solution?

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Helen
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answered on 01 Feb 2010, 04:11 PM
Hi Nick & Valentin,

I'm not sure. I think the .SDK idea has merit, but the idea of having an inventory of code samples, linked to forum posts where appropriate as Ben suggested, with a brief description and date, organized by product (including verison), to me would be very useful. These samples are produced on an almost-daily basis, whereas something like an sdk would probably not be updated frequently.

For myself, when learning a complex control like the Silverlight GridView, I could have saved *a lot* of time if I had been able to quickly see the code samples I have dug out of the forums.

Just my 2 cents

Helen
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Ben Hayat
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answered on 01 Feb 2010, 09:53 PM
Hi Valio;

Thank you for your reply to this; If we "truly" examine the original request by OP and similar requests that I had made months ago, you would find that creating an SDK is an overkill. Here are the reasons:
a) And SDK is usually a series of libraries used in a product. It's not so much of samples.
b) Telerik already has a full set of components. So the word SDK gets confusing;
c) Your valuable resources can be put into more important things like (cough Book cough) than building an SDK.
d) Last but certainly not least, the SDK won't stayed maintained and will stay behind. This is the worst reason...

Now, all we need a simple storage/repository of these samples categorized properly by product, date, version and what forum post relates to. But the best part is the following.
Every time a telerik engineer creates a sample, they put it immediately in this repository and then they put the link in the forum for the users to see the sample. This means zero maintenance. Easy and simple. But you need to dig up the old ones first.

Unless I missed something BIG about the SDK, that's my 2(.5) cents :-)
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answered on 02 Feb 2010, 10:00 AM
Hi, I just want to say that I agree with Ben and Helen. An SDK is not a bad idea but I would much prefer a well maintained code library. You wouldn't really have to do much with the existing code library, it just needs to be expanded and maintained. At the moment, the Silverlight code library only has 15 threads, while there are tons of useful stuff in the regular forums that should be in the code library. That's the way I see it anyway.

/Henrik
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Nikolay
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answered on 03 Feb 2010, 12:06 PM
Hi all,

I agree with all your comments and suggestions. We will give this matter a careful consideration this Friday and then I will be able to provide some more details on how we will encapsulate all these samples into a complete and easily maintainable support resource.

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Helen
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answered on 03 Feb 2010, 02:11 PM
That's great news Nick!

I hope the code inventory will also include code samples in your blogs, with appropriate references.

Thanks!

Helen
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Ben Hayat
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answered on 03 Feb 2010, 03:25 PM
Nick, I have full trust in your decision and whichever way you guys go. Perhaps before Friday you would like to educate us on more details about the SDK. I really felt bad by putting it aside by not knowing more details about it.

So to summarize what we really need, is an organized collection of ALL codes (Samples, Blogs, Forum posts, demos and etc.) in one location. Yes, I sound greedy I know, but hey the more we learn on our own, the less we bug you :-)

Looking forward to the final cut!
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Nikolay
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answered on 05 Feb 2010, 11:01 AM
Hi all,

As I promised I'll shed some more light on our plans for providing an inventory of code samples that can be easily accessed, maintained and enhanced. We will most probably work (in the next quarter) on an alternative online examples resource that will feature all the samples, code snippets, etc. that we usually include in blog posts and forum threads. We will update these examples each time a new version is released so that we can confirm that all the samples work against the most recent official version of our controls.

I hope that this makes sense to you.

Sincerely yours,
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answered on 02 Mar 2010, 08:25 PM
I'd like to re-visit this topic once again and provide some more feedback from our point of view.

One of the most useful assets from Telerik, is the online demo of controls where you see it run, you can look at the xaml, C# and some time even let you play with configuration. To me, this is the most useful set of info available at all time.

I honestly feel, something like this where all the codes, samples and etc. is always available online is VERY, VERY useful. Look at the sample how it works, look at the code, no need to download project, look for it on the hard disk and try to run it (perhaps doesn't match the current version).

When you're stuck, the last thing you need, is to chase help document or hidden samples to get yourself more aggravated. So my humble suggestion is to make it readily available, so every time we use it successfully, you will hear a loud "Cheers" from across the hall!

Thanks!
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answered on 03 Mar 2010, 11:10 PM
I second Ben's post.

It's been a month now since you folks told us you would be discussing our suggestion -- any progress to report?

We wait your decision with bated breath :)

Helen
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Valentin.Stoychev
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answered on 05 Mar 2010, 08:16 AM
Hello Helen,

We are now busy with prepareing the Q1.2010 release which is next week. We are going to discuss this after the release. We have some great ideas in mind.

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Valentin.Stoychev
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answered on 05 Mar 2010, 02:04 PM
You're just teasing us, Valentin!

Is there any place I can go to see what will be in the new release? Virtualization of the Book Control, by any chance?

Best

Helen
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Ben Hayat
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answered on 05 Mar 2010, 02:20 PM
Helen, I'll share some secret with you, but don't tell Valentin ;-)
Valentin is the master of teasing. I think he is the original inventor :-)

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answered on 05 Mar 2010, 03:56 PM
Helen, this is what I found. As far as Virtual Engine for the book goes, that's something Valentin could provide more info.
Link

Hope this helps!
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answered on 05 Mar 2010, 04:05 PM
You da man, Ben!

Thanks for the link -- I love some of the features they are working on.

Maybe Valentin will stop teasing us for long enough to tell us about virtualization of the Book Control?

(hint hint)

Cheers,

Helen
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Valentin.Stoychev
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answered on 05 Mar 2010, 04:13 PM
Hi Helen,

Thank you for the kind words, Ben :)

Yes - virtualization is part from the Q1.2010 release. This is the major new feature of the book we managed to implement. You will be able to use it next week.

We are already planning the next release of the Book. What is the next thing that you want to be implemented?

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answered on 05 Mar 2010, 04:37 PM
Did I say you guys ROCK??? Well, I'll say it again!

Now, what about virtualization of the Cover Flow control?

Cheers,

Helen
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Valentin.Stoychev
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answered on 05 Mar 2010, 04:46 PM
Hello Helen,

CoverFlow is also virtualized. It has virtualization even in the current bits.

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answered on 05 Mar 2010, 04:51 PM
Gee Valentin -- you mean I have nothing more to ask for???

I know -- how about some plumbing for retrieving data from the server in the background? I know this is a completely separate topic, but it would make a huge difference to my websites.

Best,

Helen
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Ben Hayat
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answered on 05 Mar 2010, 05:02 PM
Now, what about virtualization of the Cover Flow control?
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Ben Hayat
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answered on 05 Mar 2010, 05:04 PM
Hi Valio;

Thank you for the kind words, Ben :)
That's what friends are for :-)
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