Missing tutorials

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  1. Dennis Gundersen
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    Dec 2009

    Posted 06 Mar 2010 Link to this post

    Hi

    I'm having a hard time finding tutorials binding OA into other programming concepts. I've finally managed to set up my database as classes, but I'm struggeling to get further. F.ex:

    I used to put business logic (mostly validations) into the datasets. How do I do this in classes instead?
    I'll be changing from ObjectDatasources to OADatasources, what are the differences? The OA Made Easy doesn't even have an example with lookup tables, not to mention related tables or any fancy RadGrid stuff.

    How about a small tutorial about making custom user controls based on OA data?

    I would also love to see a bit more info on how OA changes architecture. What about a tutorial where the OA classes are used directly by a web and win app in the same solution, not just through a webservice. Or even combining OA with a local datacache for partially offline apps.

    I realize that it's not Telerik's goal to teach me programming, but I really feel there is a gap between the OA tutorials and the rest of the Telerik support info that is unneccesarily difficult to bridge.

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    Dennis
  2. Dimitar Kapitanov
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    Posted 10 Mar 2010 Link to this post

    Hello Dennis Gundersen,
    We will be uploading shortly the "Telerik OpenAccess Made Easy" tutorial. It is available at the moment even, but contains some parts that are either outdated or incomplete. We plan on doing so very soon, maybe next week. I t has also code samples and if everything is OK should contain video tutorials as well.

    Kind regards,
    Dimitar Kapitanov
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  4. Dennis Gundersen
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    Dec 2009

    Posted 10 Mar 2010 Link to this post

    Hi

    That's nice, but what I was thinking of was a better way of structuring the existing material. Now everything is spread into areas according to format and category, sorted alphabetically. That's not how programming works. How about making a larger demo project, the "Telerik Doohickey", then linking info into each step.

    First we'll create a database. This can be done directly in server explorer or using our ORM tool Open Access (see here) either by forward mapping (see here) or reverse mapping (see here). It can even be combined with Microsoft synchronizing services to create partially offline applications (see here).
    ...
    ...
    ...
    Finally we're ready for the GUI. We'll be reusing three custom user controls consisting of several Rad items (see here for win and here for web) that will call user process components (see here) that initiates the business logic (see here) in our entities (see here). Furthermore we'll include the RadScheduler (see here) and several related RadGrids (see here). Blah, blah, blah...


    Right now, I frequently spend an hour looking for a 2 minute video or a single line code snippet for somethin I'm stuck on. Since just about every programming project goes throught the same tree structure (give or take a few branches) a "project tree" seems like a much easier way to look for information to me. I bet Teleik could even make 99% of such a tree without designing a new project or creating additional support documents/videos. So why don't you do that?

    Please?

    Pretty please??

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    Dennis
  5. Jordan
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    Posted 16 Mar 2010 Link to this post

    Hello Dennis Gundersen,

    Your example sounds very much like some wiki kind of organization of the information where you have a lot of articles and a lot of links between them (like in Wikipedia).
    However, I am not sure that I understand how in your example the text with links is related to the example project structure.

    Have you looked at the Telerik Trainer (http://www.telerik.com/support/trainer.aspx)?
    What do you think about this format for presenting information to developers?

    All the best,
    Jordan
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