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  1. Amon-ra Mackie
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    Posted 19 May 2009 Link to this post

    This is really cool!

    I've played with this app for about five minutes and I like where its going, but I've got a few suggestions that will make the app more useable for me.

    On the colorize page, it would be nice if we could specifiy an exact base color in addition to manipulating the hue and saturation.  That may make color matching a little easier. 

    Also, if we decide to use the Hue / Saturation tool, we should be able tto see the Hex value for the base color was generated.

    On the fine-tune section, if we remove the generated image, there's no way to get it back.

    Also, If we want to just tweak the color of the generated image, there's no way to do that.

    This looks really promising guys.  Thanks for the hard work. 
  2. Alex Gyoshev
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    Posted 20 May 2009 Link to this post

    Hello Amon-ra Mackie,

    Thank you for your feedback! I didn't expect these requests so soon, yet I expected this nevertheless ;-)

    > it would be nice if we could specifiy an exact base color in addition to manipulating the hue and saturation [...] Also, if we decide to use the Hue / Saturation tool, we should be able to see the Hex value for the base color was generated.

    While this sounds great, there is the issue that there is no base color. The colors are rather "shifted" from one to another, like rotating the color wheel. Every color is mapped to a new one, and the mathematical difference between them is the "hue offset".

    > On the fine-tune section, if we remove the generated image, there's no way to get it back.

    I think a "reset" button will do the trick? We won't make it to a real "undo" functionality, but this should be as useful.

    > Also, If we want to just tweak the color of the generated image, there's no way to do that.

    I do not quite get what you mean by this. Could you please be more specific? (e.g., provide a screenshot)

    Best wishes,
    Alex
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  4. Amon-ra Mackie
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    Posted 20 May 2009 Link to this post

    While this sounds great, there is the issue that there is no base color. The colors are rather "shifted" from one to another, like rotating the color wheel. Every color is mapped to a new one, and the mathematical difference between them is the "hue offset".

    Its a shame that there's no base color.  When I create a new skin, I like to start with a base color, usually picked from a logo.  Then I will derive gradients and such around that color.  It seems to me that if each control or skin had a base color and if I wanted to specify a new custom color, then the hue offset between the base color and new custom color could be calculated and applied to the entire theme.

    I think a "reset" button will do the trick? We won't make it to a real "undo" functionality, but this should be as useful.
    Thanks!

    Also, If we want to just tweak the color of the generated image, there's no way to do that. I do not quite get what you mean by this. Could you please be more specific? (e.g., provide a screenshot)

    I'm not sure how to add a screenshot to the forum, so I'll try to better explain myseIf.  I guess this gets into how much the tool should do for us and how much we will have to do after the tool generates the theme.  Lets suppose that I've modified the default look of the Vista theme with the Hue / Saturation colorize tool so that the overall color appears green.  Now I want to fine tune the Grid Header Cell gradient so that it appears yellow.

    My expectation is that I should be able to colorize the Header Cell image using fine tune tab of the Visual Style Builder, but what I actually have to do is download the style, open Photoshop, and then modify the image there.
  5. Alex Gyoshev
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    Posted 21 May 2009 Link to this post

    Hello Amon-ra Mackie,

    > It seems to me that if each control or skin had a base color and if I wanted to specify a new custom color, then the hue offset between the base color and new custom color could be calculated and applied to the entire theme.

    Great idea! I'll put that on the to-do list - I guess it can be done - have to check with the designers, though. In any way, your Telerik points have been updated.

    >> I think a "reset" button will do the trick? We won't make it to a real "undo" functionality, but this should be as useful.
    > Thanks!


    After discussing this internally, we've decided to add an "apply" button, too - this way, you'll have all the control you need on applying and resetting changes. Does this make sense?

    Regarding the last idea, it's what I call "colorization-per-element". While I don't think that it will make it for the Q2 release (with all the controls that have to be "fine-tune-enabled"), it is definitely on our list.

    Thank you!

    Sincerely yours,
    Alex
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  6. Joffrey
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    Posted 25 May 2009 Link to this post

    Hi Alex

    The Style Builder looks terrific. Always wanted to do customization of the skins. but I'm a Developper not a Designer even if I understand some of the basics that make up a good design.

    I underline what Amon-ra Mackie wrote with the base-color. I work the same way. For my projects I define a base color and based on that a color palette (different shades and tints, analogous or complementary scheme) and then just use those colors.

    And here comes my point. I define the colors in hex. eg #0e469e.
    But when Fine-tuning say a grid, I can just choose from predefined colors. And they usually dont match my colors exactly.
    So it would be pretty cool if I could also type in hex color coding in addition to selecting predefined colors.

    Regards
    Joffrey
  7. Alex Gyoshev
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    Posted 25 May 2009 Link to this post

    Hi Joffrey,

    So... true! I'm attaching a screenshot of the best color picking interface that I had imagined - usually, one wants to use consistent colors in the skin (the "colors in this skin" part). If new colors are introduced, it is most probable that this would be through their hex code - and they should be automatically added to the "colors in this skin" section. Unfortunately, implementing such interface did not seem trivial with the current means (i.e. RadColorPicker). I guess only a hex field will do the trick for now, and I'll add it this week.

    Regarding the base color, it seems as a very important feature right now. Thank you for helping us realize its priority!

    Kind regards,
    Alex
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  8. Conrad
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    Posted 26 May 2009 Link to this post

    *3 on using base colors for a project.

    The attached screen shot would be brilliant!!  Cannot wait for that hex box...

    As Joffrey said, we are developers, not designers ;)
  9. Amon-ra Mackie
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    Posted 26 May 2009 Link to this post

    I think the Hex box / Color picker should work fine, although the RadColorPicker with the drowdown button would be pretty cool.  Anyway, thanks for hearing us out.  I've managed to convince our development team that telerik's ajax controls are the best thing since sliced bread.  With your help, I've been able to produce more professional applications much faster.  Our users have been thrilled.  
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