OpenAccess vs Entity Framework

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  1. Adiel
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    Posted 12 Nov 2009 Link to this post

    Hello,
    I saw that question before but I think it's relevant now with the enhancements of VS 2010. 
    So could you please point of the benefits of using OpenAccess vs Entity Framework? 
    Thanks 
    Adiel
  2. Dimitar Kapitanov
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    Posted 18 Nov 2009 Link to this post

    Hello Adiel,
    We are preparing an official document that helps in comparing the two frameworks, however it is not yet officially available. We hope we will be ready after PDC '09 (next week hopefully) with a official document, so I will let you know when it is available. Please tell me whether this works for you.

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  4. Adiel
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    Posted 24 Jan 2010 Link to this post

    Hi
    Any news?
    Thanks
    Adiel
  5. Dimitar Kapitanov
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    Posted 04 Feb 2010 Link to this post

    Hello Adiel,
    We are waiting for the final bits of EF 4.0 and our Telerik OpenAccess ORM Q1 RC (later in Feb). After that we will be ready to finally prepare a comparison paper.

    Sincerely yours,
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  6. Joseph Lam
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    Posted 15 Mar 2010 Link to this post

    Any updates? We're evaluating various ORMs for a project right now and have to made a decision in a few days. Would appreciate if there is a comparison between the latest OA and EF. Thanks.

    Joseph
  7. Dimitar Kapitanov
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    Posted 18 Mar 2010 Link to this post

    Hello Joseph Lam,
    We do not provide comparison between Telerik OpenAccess ORM and EF 4.0 at the moment. We will evaluate first the final bits of EF 4.0. Sorry for not being able to help you in this very moment.

    All the best,
    Dimitar Kapitanov
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  8. dada tata
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    Posted 10 Apr 2010 Link to this post

    Hello, any news for this?


  9. Dimitar Kapitanov
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    Posted 14 Apr 2010 Link to this post

    Hello dada tata,
    We got a lot of questions lately and we re working on such a comparison document.

    Sincerely yours,
    Dimitar Kapitanov
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  10. Hasan Oz
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    Posted 05 May 2010 Link to this post

    When will you publish the comporison document ? We're looking forward to ....
  11. Dimitar Kapitanov
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    Posted 05 May 2010 Link to this post

    Hi hakan oz,
    After we do our next internal build we will provide such an actual document as well, that compares EF 4.0 to OA latest version. We hope we will do our release in the following days.

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  12. Hasan Oz
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    Posted 28 May 2010 Link to this post

    Is there an exact date for the document release.
    Thanks.
  13. Dimitar Kapitanov
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    Posted 01 Jun 2010 Link to this post

    Hello hakan oz,
    We will try to release a comparison document till the end of the current week.

    All the best,
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  14. Ertan Deniz
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    Posted 04 Jun 2010 Link to this post

    Is it ready ? How will you inform us ?
  15. Dimitar Kapitanov
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    Posted 10 Jun 2010 Link to this post

    Hello Ertan Deniz,
    We are doing this right now, I hope in a couple of day we will have a comparison.

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  16. Ertan Deniz
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    Posted 11 Jun 2010 Link to this post

    We're looking forward to hearing from you.
    Thanks
  17. Steve
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    Posted 13 Jun 2010 Link to this post

    I gotta say...after using Entity for the last week on a project I can't wait to get back to OA.  As many problems as I've had with it so far, it's so much easier to manipulate and query...and it's only going to get better with age.

    MS release schedule is no where near as fast as telerik (even to fix bugs)
  18. Hasan Oz
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    Posted 14 Jun 2010 Link to this post

    Hi Steve ,
    Your comment is so close to me. What does refer "it" in your comment.
    When have you being used OA since from  and what is your advice to use?
  19. Ertan Deniz
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    Posted 19 Jun 2010 Link to this post

    After this time, Please give the exact release date for the comparison document .
  20. Dimitar Kapitanov
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    Posted 22 Jun 2010 Link to this post

    Hello guys,
    The comparison sheet is ready, with a white paper to come later on. I am not able to attach the document in a forum thread so I will just mention that the document will be exposed on our site today or tomorrow as a comparison page. I can send the .pdf version individually as well if you open a support request for that.

    Best wishes,
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  21. Zakariel
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    Posted 23 Jun 2010 Link to this post

    How do i open a support request ? I would like to read this PDF :)

    Im new on these Forum.
  22. Adiel
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    Posted 23 Jun 2010 Link to this post

    Hi
    Could you please leave a URL to download this pdf?
    Thanks
    Adiel
  23. Petko_I
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    Posted 23 Jun 2010 Link to this post

    Hi all,

    A comparison between Telerik OpenAccess and Entity Framework 4.0 has already been exposed on our site. You can follow the link and get an overview of the available features:

    http://www.telerik.com/products/orm/openaccess-vs-entity-framework.aspx


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  24. gmendez
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    Posted 24 Mar 2011 Link to this post

    Hello Telerik,

    I was taking a look at the comparison document. Is it up to date? As far as I know EF does support .net 3.5. Am I right?
    Id like to know more about a feature named "Build-in validation framework". I looked at the online help and I couldn't find further information.
    Could you please provide me with a link? I'm very interested in this feature.
    Best regards,

    Gonzalo
  25. Petko_I
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    Posted 29 Mar 2011 Link to this post

    Hi gmendez,

    The comparison document mentions EF 4.0 to illustrate the fact that the latest features of EF are compared to the ones provided by OpenAccess. EF does support .NET 3.5 and so does OpenAccess
    The validation framework is a powerful feature that lets you locate inconsistencies in your OpenAccess metamodel. The moment you save your changes to the model any errors or warnings will appear immediately to notify you and remind you that the model needs to be brought into a consistent state so that you can work smoothly at runtime. The OpenAccess model errors and warnings appear respectively in the error and warning list panes of Visual Studio. Your project will be able to be built even with the errors present in the error list pane. This is because of the fact that the validation rules are there to help you locate possible runtime problems at an early stage. What is more, you can simply double-click one such error and a validation dialog will appear to assist you with the fixing of the issues spotted by the validation framework. Most of the validation rules have resolution actions (manual or automatic) which you can apply to immediately resolve the inconsistencies in your metamodel. Simply put, you can usually choose between several alternatives for managing the validation error detail.  Such inconsistencies include missing primary keys, wrong concurrency mechanism set-up, missing identifiers, etc. More information on the Resolve Errors Dialog can be found here. A brief introduction on how to validate your model is available here.  

    We would like to hear your comments on the feature. If you need further information, do get back to us.

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  26. gmendez
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    Posted 30 Mar 2011 Link to this post

    Hello Petko_I ,

    Thanks for the detailed information. I was already aware about the model validation rules, even I haven't had the chance to experiment much with models. That's because I'm more used to the "old fashioned" way of using OpenAccess, and I only use it for my freelance projects (I also have a regular job).
    I missanderstood the term "Validation Framework". I thought it was something to validate data entities similir to Microsoft Validation Application Block.
    Thanks!

    Gonzalo
  27. Petko_I
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    Posted 31 Mar 2011 Link to this post

    Hello gmendez,

    You are welcome. If you have any suggestions or features you would like to see implemented for OpenAccess, feel free to share them with us. We will evaluate carefully any proposals that come from the customers' side.

    Kind regards,
    Petko_I
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