Obsolete Skins

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  1. Peter Zolja
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    Posted 30 Jun 2008 Link to this post

    Here are my 2 cents (no particular order)

    1) The border around most of the controls needs to be lighter. The shade used in the outer border for the Window sample is about right. If the border is too noticeable it tends to distract from the content it tries to encompass.
    2) I'm looking at the Calendar control: The title bar is a bit too tall in my opinion. The same goes for the Window, those icons are way too big.
    3) Since the gradients are too obvious / strong there are some contrast issues, but these should go away once the gradient is adjusted. For example with the PanelBar there isn't sufficient contrast for "Item 3" or for "What to do, Where to go..." The same for the drop down, there should be more emphasis on the text inside the drop down, i.e. more contrast. Having a light gray for "view items 1-200" is OK though. The header for the drop down "Header 1" is a bit too tall, if you make it the same height as the actual drop down or the footer I think it would look better.
    4) The dark gray for the scheduler and grid are too heavy. If we use these in a site that doesn't have that dark gray background somewhere else it will look out of place. I think the Default2006 had it right in this case.

    Thanks.
  2. dstj
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    Posted 30 Jun 2008 Link to this post

    I have to agree with the "gradient" issue of the gray skin, but the height of the title bars as mentioned by Peter is a more important issue for me. Try to keep it compact as some users will still have a crappy 1024x768 resolution...

    My biggest concern when I try to integrate Telerik controls into an existing application is to be able to gradually incorporate them without breaking the look and feel of the application. If the skin is too flashy, it clashes with the rest and forces me to delay the integration until I can change (and retest) all the UI at once... hence the Default 2006 skin...

    That being said, I do appreciate the public consultation for the new skins.

    Dominic.
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  4. Dimo
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    Posted 01 Jul 2008 Link to this post

    Hi all,

    Thank you for your feedback. We will consider all suggestions and modify the new Gray skin, according to the ones we accept. We will change that sharp gradient for sure.

    Thanks once again for your involvement.

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  5. Clayton
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    Posted 08 Jul 2008 Link to this post

    One more voice for the default2006 skin.   In the radpanel, the telerik skin is so flat you can't tell the parent bar from sub items. 
  6. Dimo
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    Posted 09 Jul 2008 Link to this post

    Hi all,

    The new Gray skin has been modified to look more like the obsolete Default2006 skin, as per your request. You can see it in action in our latest "Futures" release:

    RadControls for ASP.NET AJAX - Q2 2008 Futures


    Greetings,
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  7. dstj
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    Posted 09 Jul 2008 Link to this post

    Thanks for the update,

    The gray skin is marked as "Obsolete" in RadCalendar, I'm sure that's just a minor confusion.

    I've put together a "montage" of the current Gray skin side by side with the previous one you showed us and the Default2006 skin. (sadly, attachments don't seem to be allowed in this thread... :-( )

    RadWindow:
     - Title bar is still too big, matter of fact, it's bigger than it was in the last preview.
     - The gray border is too prominent.

    RadCalendar:
      - Good, but big when compared to Default2006

    RadScheduler:
       - The title bar still has the dark gray. In fact, it's even darker...

    RadGrid:
       - The selected style is too dark, lighter was better as in the last preview and Default2006.

    RadTabStrip:
       - The gradient is still too prominent, especially since the biggest transition occurs right in the middle of the text.

    Overall, it's an improvement, but I will still miss the Default2006.

    Hope this helps,

    Dominic.

  8. Dimo
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    Posted 09 Jul 2008 Link to this post

    Hello Dominic,

    The Gray thumb for RadCalendar is fixed now, thank you.

    As for the skin itself - well, yes, it is not exactly the same as Default2006 and it should not be. When creating the Gray skin, we tried to make a skin with a modern look, which is a little more usable than Default2006 and has more contrast.

    As with all other skins, you are free to modify it by using some custom CSS rules together with the embedded skin, use the old Default2006 skin as a non-embedded skin, or created a custom skin based on one (or both) of these skins.
     

    Kind regards,
    Dimo
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  9. Clayton
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    Posted 09 Jul 2008 Link to this post

    In the panelbar, the gray does not see quite right.  One, it changes the color of the selection when the parent is clicked, but when child is selected, the parent color returns to normal.  Very inconsistent looking.   Also, the colors that distinguish the parent from the child are too subtle and hard to distinguish.

    I know Telerik is tired of hearing this, but it is still NOT a good replacement for Default2006!
  10. Alex Gyoshev
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    Posted 14 Jul 2008 Link to this post

    Hi Clayton,

    Thank you for your feedback regarding the Gray skin. We have fixed the states - if you need the css file, you can find it attached to this post; your Telerik points have been updated.

    The Default2006 skin will be available as an external skin, so any designs that currently use it can upgrade at a small cost.

    Sincerely yours,
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  11. -DJ-
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    Posted 14 Jul 2008 Link to this post

    Hi guys,

    I was wondering, if some users would have made new skins for all components, would telerik consider adding these skins to the embedded ones?

    Given that these skins are of the highest quality and not that similar to any current skins of course.

    Then these designers could be put in the loop, so when you design new components you could give them heads up so they could skin it. Or you could simply take over the skin once it was accepted. The second option is probably a smarter way.

    Anyone who would succesfully submit a skin, meaning telerik liked it and decided to adopt it, would then simply receive a predetermined amount of telerik points.

    Regards,
    -DJ-
  12. Ivo
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    Posted 14 Jul 2008 Link to this post

    Hi all,

    Based on all your feedback we have decided to keep Default2006 skin in the assembly. It seems a lot of people are still using this skin in their applications and have showed concern that it will be removed. Therefore, for all existing applications we will continue to support Default2006 as we have done so far but we strongly recommend using the new Gray skin for all new development.

    We encourage people who have custom skins for RadControls to share it with the community and we have awarded telerik points to everyone who has made any contribution either in the forums or code library. We still have not added any customer's skins as embedded but anything that is liked by the community will definitely be included in the assembly.

    Please, do not hesitate to share any skin customizations you have made - they will be highly appreciated by your fellow developers using RadControls and your efforts will definitely be rewarded.

    Regards,
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  13. Peter Zolja
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    Posted 14 Jul 2008 Link to this post

    Thank you!

    Also, the 3rd party skins idea is awesome. Let's see what kind of artists we have among us :)
  14. Nate Pinchot
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    Posted 13 Aug 2008 Link to this post

    You said the Mac skin will be available for download from the site. I downloaded all the different packages available under the Skin Exchange Program but none of them contain the Mac skin. I was using the Mac skin and now that I have upgraded to Q2 2008 it's gone. Please help.
  15. Dimo
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    Posted 15 Aug 2008 Link to this post

    Hello Jessica,

    The Mac and Default2006 skins are now available for download at

    http://www.telerik.com/skins/

    Best wishes,
    Dimo
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