Need simpler examples

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  1. Dimitar Kapitanov
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    Posted 14 Jan 2010 Link to this post

    Hello guys,
    Thanks for the feedback and the sincere opinions.

    @ Michael : Yes definitely it is our goal and thanks for mentioning such a flawless implementation.

    @ Paul: We don't assume anything like this Paul. As you said the product is full of issues, and we have quite a thorough experience where the main points of 'customer experience' failures are. Some of them might look simple or silly but this is actually the situation. Please accept my apologies if you felt that way it is definitely a misunderstanding.


    Sincerely yours,
    Dimitar Kapitanov
    the Telerik team

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  2. Warren
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    Posted 08 Mar 2010 Link to this post

    Do you have a eta for Q1 2010?  I've been using LLGLgen for the last 3 years and thought it might be time to look at your ORM offering.  I've tried following along with 101 video and the quickstart examples but run into compiling issues.

    Thanks,
    Warren
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  4. Dimitar Kapitanov
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    Posted 10 Mar 2010 Link to this post

    Hello Warren,
    Later today you should be able to download the correct version of the product (Q1 2010).

    Greetings,
    Dimitar Kapitanov
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  5. WebDevIce9
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    Posted 22 Jul 2010 Link to this post

    Anybody re-evaluate the ORM with the latest version? I prefer to read about your experience since my time was eaten up in 2009. 
  6. Jordan
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    Posted 23 Jul 2010 Link to this post

    Hi WebDevIce9,

    We recently put online a video series about the new visual designer.
    You can find it here:
    http://tv.telerik.com/series/getting-started-with-visual-designer-openaccess-orm
    I hope this will help you with your evaluation of Telerik OpenAccess.

    Greetings,
    Jordan
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  7. Lars
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    Posted 09 Mar 2011 Link to this post

    Hi all, hi WebDevice9,

    I've been so stupid not to search for others having the same problems with OA. Now, almost a year later, I'm still struggling with it and a few weeks ago, I decided to throw away the use of OA.

    This all sounds a bit biased, but let me explain why.

    With regards to OA, you could divide the past into pre-march-2010 and post-march-2010. Before, Telerik could say "sorry, we need to clean up the table"... But after... They cannot.... And what did Telerik do? They made an even bigger mess... Silently introducing the "Domain Model" approach, which - for 8 long months not documented - is NOT interchangeable with the previous approach...

    So, pre-03-2010 - OA was buggy - and post-03-2010, they crippled my development... :-(

    .... If only OA is capable of doing all the features Telerik is claiming it does...

    The DSW - data services wizard - one day it works, the other day it's sick. I probably did something wrong - I must be a very bad IT specialist... Keeping me in the dark for months about the bug, when one removes table prefixes in the object naming, DSW is going to uhh... stop working...

    ............. I can go on and on about it....

    Regards!!
  8. Dimitar Kapitanov
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    Posted 16 Mar 2011 Link to this post

    Hi Lars,
    We are really sorry regarding the trouble our product caused to your development. There is no excuse for that but nevertheless I would like to give out some more information on the problematic areas you touched in your statement:

    1.DSW - so far our approach was to look at DSW as a complementary tool that we give out as means of assistance tool but not a part of our core offering (even if it was in our core installer). The good news is that we took a totally different approach and later during Q1 we will introduce our new MEF extensibility system for the visual designer, and DSW will transform into a bunch of addins rewritten specifically for that. By those means you will have the chance to directly post-process what comes out of our visual designer.

    2. "Cleaning up the table " - actually Lars we are doing exactly that. Why does it look so messy? Unfortunately for our new customers, we have to deal with vast legacy and lots of backwards compatibility problems to care for. We have to serve not only new users, but those that already invested into the product and are comfortable with a given set of API. So we needed a transition at a low speed with lots of iterations... I must admit that more than obviously we didn't managed to carry out this in a smooth manner, but I think that all ends this year ( until the end of 2011 we are planning to polish and complete the transition to our new set of APIs and features).

    3. "NOT interchangeable with the previous approach" - again you are totally right. Here I will only put that as of Q1 2011 we have a converting tool that assists you with transition to the new domain modeling approach. Besides that we've added converters from other ORM frameworks as well (L2S and EF) just in case you want a quick transition. The tool is a bit late, but you know what they say: better late than never.

    I would also like to add that we had some major achievements during the period, and the most important ones to be revealed fully exactly in Q1 2011:

       - our "code first" or 'fluent api' approach. We believe we have the most advanced and usable API in the market. I would even suggest you try it and give us a

    - our free edition that now includes support for commercial MS SQL Server instances (so far only the express edition was supported). So you can use it for commercial applications without having to pay anything. Besides that we have a lot of other free backends supported like PostgreS for example (a really nice database form my perspective).


    Again we are sorry for any inconvenience caused by our product.


    Kind regards,
    Dimitar Kapitanov
    the Telerik team
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